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Which Central American Country Is Best to Retire To?
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 5:55 pm 
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Ilv4play wrote:
Take a serious look at Ecuador especially the town of Cuenca also the capital Quito but Cuenca has been ranked the #1 city to retire to for expats.


In addition to Cuenca, Otovalo & Cotacachi would get my vote to live as an ex-pat.

Ecuador is an excellent choice for ex-pats. Cost of Living is among the most affordable in Latin America, the US $ is the official currency, beautiful scenery, excellent beer and outstanding national highways and cheap gasoline (less than $1.50). The government is not overly-friendly towards the US, but that doesn't seem to bother the many American expats who call Ecuador their home. You have three regions to choose from: the coast, the central Andes region and the tropical jungles of Amazona. The healthcare in Ecuador leaves a lot to be desired, though. So if you want to be an ex-pat there, you better be in relatively good health or have a safety net back in your home country.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:11 pm 
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The biggest plus is that Guinea Pigs are a delicious BBQ treat.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:37 pm 
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Ilv4play wrote:
The biggest plus is that Guinea Pigs are a delicious BBQ treat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9GESnd5eIo#t=29


Yeah, cuy (guinea pig) is a prized delicacy in Ecuador... :roll:


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I currently live in CR, but for work reasons, not really due to choosing it over any other place. I've found a great little place to live near Heredia, away from the traffic and overall crappyness of SJ.

But I have also lived in Bogota (loved it, but did get bored after the first year, with the city I mean, never the women), Buenos Aires (world class city in terms of things to do, restaurants, art, live music etc.) and Lima.

Right now I'd probably choose Lima, and that will be my next stop after my work here is done in about a year. I love the climate, the food, the ocean. Non pros are easy, and although they don't rival the colombianas in looks generally, there are some hot ones and they are down to earth and great in bed.

Of all the places I have been to in Latin America, Quito was the biggest disappointment. It might be the only city I've ever been that I really disliked. Dangerous, high altitude, and the weirdest freaking locals bar none.

I know everyone says Ecuador is the greatest, but it would be the bottom of my list. Women are nothing special to boot.

I love Granada (never been to Grenada), but only for a 3 day visa run, I can't see how you could live there? I'd be bored out of my skull in 2 weeks. But pro and non pro action looked promising in all of Nicaragua. Vacation only though.

Medellin: Grew on me after a while, nice climate, but hard city to walk around, so many goddamn hills. Women are great, obviously. Still, not enough to do culturally to keep me occupied I would say. It's a 3 month stay at best (for me).

Chaing Mai: was there many many years ago and loved it. Always wanted to go back. Friends tell me it's great. One day....

Cartagena: Gorgeous city, so so beaches, lots of fun if you're a beach resort guy, too touristy and waaaaay too hot for me.

Santa Marta: very cool little place, kind of off the beaten track but still has some decent restaurants and bars, I could spend a couple months there, too hot to live (but others might like that).

So I guess my picks would be 1 Lima 2 Buenos Aires 3 Bogota (I like big cities). But I wouldn't buy in any of them, just rent, and I don't see much need to become a resident either. Better to be under the radar, less red tape, fewer tax issues, and I don't see much benefit to being a resident, unless you don't like to travel.


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I currently live in CR, but for work reasons, not really due to choosing it over any other place. I've found a great little place to live near Heredia, away from the traffic and overall crappyness of SJ.

But I have also lived in Bogota (loved it, but did get bored after the first year, with the city I mean, never the women), Buenos Aires (world class city in terms of things to do, restaurants, art, live music etc.) and Lima.

Right now I'd probably choose Lima, and that will be my next stop after my work here is done in about a year. I love the climate, the food, the ocean. Non pros are easy, and although they don't rival the colombianas in looks generally, there are some hot ones and they are down to earth and great in bed.

Of all the places I have been to in Latin America, Quito was the biggest disappointment. It might be the only city I've ever been that I really disliked. Dangerous, high altitude, and the weirdest freaking locals bar none.

I know everyone says Ecuador is the greatest, but it would be the bottom of my list. Women are nothing special to boot.

I love Granada (never been to Grenada), but only for a 3 day visa run, I can't see how you could live there? I'd be bored out of my skull in 2 weeks. But pro and non pro action looked promising in all of Nicaragua. Vacation only though.

Medellin: Grew on me after a while, nice climate, but hard city to walk around, so many goddamn hills. Women are great, obviously. Still, not enough to do culturally to keep me occupied I would say. It's a 3 month stay at best (for me).

Chaing Mai: was there many many years ago and loved it. Always wanted to go back. Friends tell me it's great. One day....

Cartagena: Gorgeous city, so so beaches, lots of fun if you're a beach resort guy, too touristy and waaaaay too hot for me.

Santa Marta: very cool little place, kind of off the beaten track but still has some decent restaurants and bars, I could spend a couple months there, too hot to live (but others might like that).

So I guess my picks would be 1 Lima 2 Buenos Aires 3 Bogota (I like big cities). But I wouldn't buy in any of them, just rent, and I don't see much need to become a resident either. Better to be under the radar, less red tape, fewer tax issues, and I don't see much benefit to being a resident, unless you don't like to travel.

Interesting observations! Santiago, Chile, any opinion??


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hotnutsjesus wrote:
I currently live in CR, but for work reasons, not really due to choosing it over any other place. I've found a great little place to live near Heredia, away from the traffic and overall crappyness of SJ.

But I have also lived in Bogota (loved it, but did get bored after the first year, with the city I mean, never the women), Buenos Aires (world class city in terms of things to do, restaurants, art, live music etc.) and Lima.

Right now I'd probably choose Lima, and that will be my next stop after my work here is done in about a year. I love the climate, the food, the ocean. Non pros are easy, and although they don't rival the colombianas in looks generally, there are some hot ones and they are down to earth and great in bed.

Of all the places I have been to in Latin America, Quito was the biggest disappointment. It might be the only city I've ever been that I really disliked. Dangerous, high altitude, and the weirdest freaking locals bar none.

I know everyone says Ecuador is the greatest, but it would be the bottom of my list. Women are nothing special to boot.

I love Granada (never been to Grenada), but only for a 3 day visa run, I can't see how you could live there? I'd be bored out of my skull in 2 weeks. But pro and non pro action looked promising in all of Nicaragua. Vacation only though.

Medellin: Grew on me after a while, nice climate, but hard city to walk around, so many goddamn hills. Women are great, obviously. Still, not enough to do culturally to keep me occupied I would say. It's a 3 month stay at best (for me).

Chaing Mai: was there many many years ago and loved it. Always wanted to go back. Friends tell me it's great. One day....

Cartagena: Gorgeous city, so so beaches, lots of fun if you're a beach resort guy, too touristy and waaaaay too hot for me.

Santa Marta: very cool little place, kind of off the beaten track but still has some decent restaurants and bars, I could spend a couple months there, too hot to live (but others might like that).

So I guess my picks would be 1 Lima 2 Buenos Aires 3 Bogota (I like big cities). But I wouldn't buy in any of them, just rent, and I don't see much need to become a resident either. Better to be under the radar, less red tape, fewer tax issues, and I don't see much benefit to being a resident, unless you don't like to travel.

Interesting observations! Santiago, Chile, any opinion??


I just visited Santiago... nice city, relatively safe, plenty to do and on the warm side. But, if I were to pick a city to live in Chile, it would be Valparaiso on the coast. It is such a cool place to visit and live.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:45 am 
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I would have to say Viña del Mar over Valparaiso...the former being a more modern, vibrant, diverse city...the latter being an older, more run down and poorer city with activities centered around the port and legislative branch of government. Definitely agree that living in or around either would be more pleasant than the craziness of Santiago!

Plenty of mongering options in all three cities, though mostly centered around web site indies operating out of apartments and traditional night club venues.


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I would have to say Viña del Mar over Valparaiso...the former being a more modern, vibrant, diverse city...the latter being an older, more run down and poorer city with activities centered around the port and legislative branch of government. Definitely agree that living in or around either would be more pleasant than the craziness of Santiago!

Plenty of mongering options in all three cities, though mostly centered around web site indies operating out of apartments and traditional night club venues.

Here's a Wiki on Vina del Mar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C3%B1a_del_Mar << Looks to be a vibrant, growing city of 1/3 million folks.

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bandon843 wrote:
I would have to say Viña del Mar over Valparaiso...the former being a more modern, vibrant, diverse city...the latter being an older, more run down and poorer city with activities centered around the port and legislative branch of government. Definitely agree that living in or around either would be more pleasant than the craziness of Santiago!

Plenty of mongering options in all three cities, though mostly centered around web site indies operating out of apartments and traditional night club venues.


Yes, I know most people who visit Valparaiso feel that way... but not me. :wink: I 've visited both Valparaiso and Vina del Mar, and I 'll take Valparaiso over Vina del Mar. I love those little hill top communities each with its own personality and subculture.


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I've considered Panama (too warm); Brasil (too expensive); Ecuador/Argentina/Uruguay (too far); Portugal (too far) which leaves me with CR. And I know exactly where I would live: Orosi Valley. Perfect climate, a very short drive to either coast, close enough to SJ for all the amenities and extremely affordable. Very good healthcare too. For the occasional trip back to the U.S. it's a few hours flight and very inexpensive. I've made up my mind.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:19 pm 
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That question can be addressed from so many different angles. :wink: First, from the cost perspective. When I moved to Colombia, the peso was strong, and I was getting about 1800 - 1900 to the dollar. So far this year, the peso has weakened, and I've received as much as 2600 pesos for my dollar. That's a nice pay raise for someone living on a fixed income. Even without the strong dollar, Colombia is still less expensive than Panama and CR.

Colombia is still ex-pat friendly, but is getting more like CR in its attitude towards ex-pats. When I first received my residency, I was greeted with open arms, a 5-year tax moratorium and other perks. Since that time, Colombia has raised the visa fees and done away with the "permanent" permanent residency... and now has to be renewed every 5 years. Colombia has also tightened up on its taxation of income and assets owned by foreigners in Colombia, and is playing ball with the US with respect to FATCA reporting. Colombia keeps tight control over its ex-pat population, and will not hesitate to "bounce" someone perceived as a bad actor with no explanation. Panama, as far as I know, is still relatively immigrant friendly, and even offers incentives to retirees.

As far as things to do, landscape and natural beauty, I think all 3 countries are neck to neck in that area. Colombia has a developing tourist infrastructure, but has a ways to go to catch up to CR and Panama. For me, Panama is a little bit too hot for living there full-time, CR is OK with respect to climate, but living in the Medellin area is perfect. I live in one of the municipalities near Medellin, and can expect temperatures that go as low as 50s during the night and the high 70s or low 80s during the day. We get our share of rain during the months of April, October and November. Paisas have a narrow band of climate comfort ranging from 72 to 82 degrees F. When it's lower than 72, the paisas are wearing mufflers and mittens, and when it is warmer than 82 degrees... they are fanning themselves and saying "uff." :wink: Other parts of Colombia are very hot like the northern and Pacific coasts and some of the interior departments like Tolima. As far as traffic goes, San Jose is a much more enjoyable city to be driving in than say Bogota, Medellin or Panama City. Traffic has gotten progressively worse in Medellin since I first arrived 7 1/2 years ago. The traffic in Bogota is obscene. Panama has excellent national highways, but the urban roadways suck. Costa Rican roads have come a long way in the past 10 years with the new highway to the Pacific coast and much less potholes than before. Colombian highways are OK, but tolls are expensive and urban roadways and intersections are poorly designed.

So far, I've been pleased with my Colombian EPS (HMO-style healthplan) which provides me with doctor/specialists visits, diagnostics and lab work, hospitalization, pharmacy and dental for $30 per month. There are many state of the art medical facilities throughout the major cities in Colombia. I also have Medicare and Blue Cross/Blue Shield as back-up in the States. From my limited experience with CR healthcare, it looks like healthcare in CR is good as well... and more attuned to the needs of foreign immigrants and visitors (as long as you have the money). I have no experience with Panama healthcare.

Real Estate prices in Medellin are on the rise if buying, but rents are still a bargain. If you stay out of Poblado, you can find nice 2 - 3 BR apartments in an upper estrato for less than $600 per month. My utilities for a 3 BR apartment run about $120 per month at the current USD/COP exchange rate. The options for ex-pat living has spreading to areas outside of Poblado for the past year or so. Even the couple of gringo-owned realties in Medellin are now pushing properties outside of Poblado. We looked at similar properties in Panama, and rents were considerably higher. If living in Panama, I would choose one of the old canal worker communities to live between Miraflores and Gamboa, and would avoid living in the Panama City... just my humble opinion. After the market adjustment, you may be able to find some bargains in CR if buying.

Colombia is a mosaic of a number of different regions and cultures... each with its own unique geography, ethnicity and cultures. To a lesser degree, Costa Rica is the same. I prefer the Medellin area to other cities like Bogota, Barranquilla, Cartagena and Santa Marta, but would consider living in any of the coffee axis cities like Manizales, Pereira or Armenia. There are other regions in Colombia that I would avoid for security regions. If I were to live in Costa Rica, I would most likely select Perez Zeledon or the area around San Ramon.

I could on and on about the pros and cons of where to live in retirement. But so far, I am happy living in Colombia, and would choose it over Panama and Costa Rica for my retirement home.


BlueDevil,

What a breath of fresh air! An excellent, well written and very informative post…full of valuable insight from someone who is actually living the experience he is talking about.

Thank you very much for your contribution to the thread. IMHO, this is the type of posting that makes me want to be a member of this board! I am looking forward to my first mongering visit to MDE in early June. Appreciate all the background information on possible destinations to spend a longer "vacation" if not part-time residence for part of the year. Other than the bad security/safety rap MDE has, it is clearly a very attractive place to spend extended time and enjoy, not only our hobby, but the culture and natural beauty of the coffee lands.

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Thanks very much for the informative and awsome reply.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:33 pm 
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OP, really? After 3 trips you are ready to retire there? Such a newbie way of thinking. You need to travel more before you decide.

My choice would be neither.

I have traveled extensively to Colombia and thought about retiring there after my first trip! I just discovered Thailand and I think that has bumped Colombia off my list of retirement places. It just made me realize, I need to discover more places!


Im not going to "retire" for 10 years and have been thinking about going to Panama to check it out with an eye toward possibly buying there or moving there in 5 years or so. I wanted to get the opinions of people who have spent time there or anywhere in the area.


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Hioctane wrote:
OP, really? After 3 trips you are ready to retire there? Such a newbie way of thinking. You need to travel more before you decide.

My choice would be neither.

I have traveled extensively to Colombia and thought about retiring there after my first trip! I just discovered Thailand and I think that has bumped Colombia off my list of retirement places. It just made me realize, I need to discover more places!


Im not going to "retire" for 10 years and have been thinking about going to Panama to check it out with an eye toward possibly buying there or moving there in 5 years or so. I wanted to get the opinions of people who have spent time there or anywhere in the area.


Good plan, Austinguy. Take your time, listen to conventional wisdom, check each country out based upon what you read or hear, and then decide which suits you best. I began my retirement planning about 10 years out as well.


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For anyone considering future retirement I would suggest checking out International Living at http://www.internationalliving.com

It gives costs, and current information about places to retire all over the world.

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