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Go Ugly Early … Beat the Rush !!!

That used to be the popular saying in my club going, bar hopping days where the premise was all the fine women would be preyed upon earlier in the night leaving only the ugly ones left by the time the clubs and bars closed in which a frenzy of drunks and horn dogs would unconsciously swoop in on whatever was left to get the best of the rest….with much disregard to physical appeal

In San Jose, I will make it clear … there is neva, eva, eva eva eva any reason to go “Trolling”. So many beauties at your disposal all the time and almost none that will tell you NO (as long as you match their almost always very flexible price point of course) Ahhh… San Jose … what a city!!!
With all the beauties that abound in Gringo Gulch to be had, there are of course sparsely sprinkled in the crowd, but growing, those that maybe would be more successful in other occupations like Prison Guard, Cab Driver or Toll Taker (…but hey I have seen a couple do-able female Cab drivers in SJ).

The occupation of puta in Gringo Gulch is a competitive one … one that would make a solid 9 here insecure in that environment, but for a girl with the look and confidence in San Jose … well this puta thing is a more lucrative business in Costa Rica for them then it is for most people in their medical field.

So on a lighter look at the flip side of that … how is it that there is an increasing amount of ummmm “budding overachievers” who feel like they can compete against all the beauties that abound.

In the midst of all that which is glorified about San Jose and its P4P venues are those that have many asking ourselves if not our wingman and others … What the hell is this ______ (fill in the blank … old, chunky, tired, unattractive, etc.) chick doing in here? How can she survive? How do they overachieve? Why do they try? Who is there target market? Why do they dare to put a splotch mark on the Picasso painting of P4P in Costa Rica?

You see woman and other guys all the time look at someone else’s conquest and quizzically saying … “He picked her over me?” Or “What the hell is that guy thinking”.

The target market question is easy … The answer is this simple. It is anyone who will pay them any attention and invariably compensate them for their time.

So fortunately or unfortunately, love abounds for everyone … even for those I will politely call the “ 2nd Tier”

They market themselves as contrarians … knowing they are not as physically attractive as the rest, but they pray and hope that someone wants different. And people do. I mean how many times have we been in venues where there are scores of naked or half-dressed stunners, but the one in the place who grabbed your attention the most was the down to earth, fully clothed bartender or help.

So in a different type of Top Ten List which like the other threads I have posted is not meant to be all inclusive, but simply a look (on the lighter side of course) at How and Why those less then stunning overachieving , 2nd tier chica’s still haunt the halls in San Jose’s P4P environment.

Here is TRAVELING’S 10 reasons why you will always find the curiously unattractive in P4P:


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There are many other reasons past these 10 that could be listed and feel free to add yours, but some of the more obvious one’s are …. 1. Somebody told her (typically her better looking girlfriend) that anyone can make a ton of money here, but what they forgot to tell her is that the 3 inch carbuncle on her nose and the pus dripping from her eyes could be a buzz 2. This chica is a 99 on confidence and 10 on looks based of course on someone telling her she was beautiful (maybe a family member) and she believes it. There is a fine line in being bunny rabbit cute and bullfrog cute. In a nutshell, she thinks she’s a 10 while everyone else has her at 4.5. … and then of course 3. I’m not here for the money, I just want to get laid by some older foreigner who will hopefully befriend me and besides I am so old no locals will do me

10. Different strokes for different folks ... I like a sports car ... you like a mini-van … It sucks to be you, but your vehicle is more accommodating for a 3-some then mine…so now it sucks to be me . Second Tier chica’s know that there is someone for everyone. The saying is … beauty is in the eyes of the beholder , but it is also said that beauty is skin deep and ugly is to the bone.

The theory has always existed and the laws of attraction underscore that unbelievably somehow, somewhere there is someone dying to hook-up with a 3 headed monster … let’s just hope each head doesn’t want Cien.


9. A Bargain … The Diva’s with “Cien Only” have left the door open to be undercut. The overachievers sell that they will go for less than a stunner would and can provide the same level or better service for literally half the price or less. More often than not they will have less attitude and attempt to kill you with kindness, GFE and try to take the worries off your mind of you getting "diva-tized" from some stunner who will be all show, little go and want max dough ... and for some ...they just know you don't feel like going through the cat and mouse game … this is their approach lane and they go full throttle… they try to undercut their competition with comfort and kindness … selling less sex, but more good time.


8. Late night beer goggles … Hey 3:00 a.m, Bad lighting, Impatience, Wayyyyyy too much to drink, Last Call? … no better time for a budding “overachiever” to swoop in on their prey …. Yeah you might have regrets in the morning, but she won’t … she caught you with your guard and pants down (literally) and your mental capacity low and the lights lower … In the morning you may come off your hangover and roll over and feel like getting drunk all over again after you see what is beside you and think of what you might have done, but again she got what she wanted … so the 2nd call you make that morning is to get her a cab to get the hell out … the first is to Alcoholics Anonymous.


7. Niche selling ... How many times have you had some stunner agree to 50 unthinkable deviant acts and only come through on one of them and the one was done without enthusiasm … well in the competition between the good, the bad and the ugly they all knows this game and the latter will sell themselves on the fact that they will do the other 49 things the good girls wouldn’t think of and the bad girls dare not … and do them with enthusiasm …. They will promise not to treat you like the title of a Nicholas Cage and Angelina Joelie movie ….GONE IN 60 SECONDS.

Chances are just like the hottie, she won’t do anywhere near of all she promised either, but at least she will attempt to do at least 1 more of them.

She’s no fool, why should she hang from the ceiling for half the price doing things she knows someone else wouldn’t do. She talked a good game and you bought in … this is her way to a payday.


6. The Ugly Americana … Some chicas feel like they may not match up to all the silicone injected Barbie dolls in the Gulch, but they still feel they are damn sure more attractive than most American woman … or else Why would we come here?

Some believe the only reason why we are here is to sex up woman we can’t get at home … Could that be? Say it aint so!!!! So regardless if she has one eye in the middle of her head and hair coming out of both ears, to her, you should be thankful that she is giving you the opportunity to pay cien to her because if you were home you’d be paying upwards of 3 to 5 times as much for something mechanical and not nearly as cute in her eyes. She stalks the gulch venues for you !!!


5. Filling the Fetish Requirement … Yeah the beautiful people are a dime a dozen and those natural or cosmetically constructed all feel that we all want the same thing, same body type … but that’s not always the case …. Some want the naturals that slap from every pounding from behind, some want the hellacious booty that you can just grip and provide that cushion for pushin … some like their chica so petite that you can toss her so high she gets a hair cut from the ceiling fan. I have a taste for _____ (fill in the blank).

At any given time, once you have recklessly fulfilled your hottie quota on your trip which in many cases includes conquering many chicas who have a similar look and body type … a man looks for a specialist … or a special extremity … maybe humongous natural tata’s, maybe someone with sexy DSL’s (D*ck Sucking Lips), maybe that infamous ghetto style booty …. While there is always a bevy of sterling talent … some things are not in great abundance as others … so when the hottie quota has been fulfilled, it just might be time to go fetish shopping … there are those who will be hell bent to find “A big butt & smile” or the 40 DDD even if she is a little weighty or not as attractive. Yeah, Costa Rica allows you to shop like that .

Like the guy in the State Farm Insurance commercial where after he had a car accident his attractive but bitchy girlfriend transformed into a super hottie …. He gleamed with approval … her response was …”Oh, Is this what you like?” his response with even more glee, conviction and a vicious head nod was …. “YES IT IS !!!”

Who wouldn’t wish to say “ Like a good neighbor, 36 DDD’s are there…” and so it appears.

Much like the” One trick pony”, the not so hotties who have “One outstanding extremity” hang around knowing that sooner or later they will be called into service.


4. I’m different Part II … My wife or girlfriend is a high maintenance bombshell and I simply want to experience a different body type and/or look and maintenance level. Ummm…not likely for the most of us, but I will go there anyway.

Who knew I would get tired of prime rib every night?

Pizza anyone? How about a hot dog? Hmmm… bad choice of dining fare … how bout chee burger, chee burger … PB&J? Every once in a while its good for the palate to change up. Not saying that anyone desires to go from Prime Rib to Dog food, but a good burger can do the mindset good. Some of the lower tier chica’s know this and get selected by the sole means of simply being non-aggressive, drama free and have the appearance of being low maintenance.

On the flipside, the chica’s can also pick out those hombres with the “deer in the headlights look” who although in fantasy land still can’t believe that all these stunners are at his disposal morning, noon and night with almost no conditions. The chicas can figure out that there is a strong possibility this lug has never had anyone as fine as me (even though I am a 5 out of 10 in this crowd).

If the hombre lacked confidence in the states around gorgeous woman or never had one, they would surely lack it in a Del Rey type environment and they show it. They are the ones most likely to walk away with the Hag amongst the Honeys. It’s the creature of habit thing; the “she’ll never be into me” syndrome or “I’m scared” of gorgeous women (sad but true).

The over achieving chica’s know this and they target this type. They can care less if a guy is intimidated by the environment … for them … it works to their favor.

3. The Buddy System … One named Angelica … the other named Agnus. They come as a pair … you want Angelica who is of course heaven sent in your eyes … but their trails the hound dog Agnus. They are “road dogs” they came to the bar together, will be inseparable throughout the evening together and will market themselves as a pair with that hotty Angelica doing all the talking creating deals and scenario’s based on you doing both of them (which invariably means one does the work while the other stands closely by with only her top off).

At first she will push a both of us or nothing scenario; or try to get you to incorporate your wingman into the mix (Invariably having him take one for the team) … when you decline she will invariably shut down negotiations, but no worries you will see Angelica again.

The reality is, it will only be a matter of time before Angelica quietly says “To Hell with Agnus” as she can only watch but so much business walk away by her being a good friend and trying to get her amiga some payday. She will separate herself from her anchor and when she does … its negotiation one on one with the only one you care about … the hottie.

But some guys are not so patient and will be so enamored with the hottie that they will write-off mentally being with the Agnus the Goon sidekick as long as they are with the Angel and see it as being the all glorified 3-some and just the price of doing business.

So, in the end … some how … some way Agnus on the behalf of her Angelic road dog gets her pay day.

Sure Angelica could have garnered much more individually, but who knows … maybe she comes away with more in the end as now she doesn’t have to support her road dog for the night because invariably Agnus would be shutout.


2. Divide & Conquer. Like a shark, the budding overachievers know there fighting an uphill battle against the odds with all these stunners around. They just can’t afford to stand back in this environment and hope to be selected … they will starve.

They have to be aggressive; set themselves apart and then move in for the kill. But, like they have to separate themselves from the other stunners … they have to separate you from your crew. They know that you will not choose 2nd tier in front of your buddies as long as there are all these diamonds around. (You can’t have your boys seeing you eye a salamander even if she does have a pretty tail).

The overachievers know that if they can get you to a private place away from your friends where they can make a “special” deal then that is their best and maybe only shot. So their goal is to separate you away from your friends and then put forth offers and promises that you can’t refuse ultimately ending in a price reduction and a promise from you not to tell anyone she is going outside the chica network pricing scheme by putting out an offer of 40 … but of course if you agree she will tell everyone you paid 80 to 100 (saving face amongst her friends) and she would require you to do so as well as to not ruin her marketing edge of getting Cien from a clueless hombre or newbie.

Should word of her “special” discount to you get out she will be tar and feathered by her counterparts and permanently tagged as $40 chica rendering it almost impossible to receive much more then that from any semi-knowledgeable gringo.

Now seriously … even if you did for some reason take on this average at best overachiever … would you really tell someone you paid Cien for it? SMH … Chicas!


1A. “She can suck a golf ball through a garden hose” …. That’s a line first claiming fame from the movie Beverly Hills Cop. Who wouldn’t want someone with that skill set … tell me on a slow afternoon or a very late night that if there was a chica sitting next to you who garners this reputation that you wouldn’t test out her legendary status even if she wasn’t in the top 20 lookers in the room.

The really good ones, however not as stunning as others, know that their reputation precedes them … and believe me … they know that you know that they have an unearthly like skill. Word gets around.

The fact of the matter is … if their reputation is that good and there pricing scheme is “non-Cien-like” they will be hard to find as they will be more coveted then the stunners and draw the ire of all the chica’s around wondering how this Wildebeest is being selected time and time again going home with potentially hundreds, while my fine ass is begging for cab fare home, a cup of coffee or stalking the bar saying “one cerveza por me? “

The stunners know this crocodile is doing better back flips better than any of us so called dolphins, but they will never change their diva ways.



1. Welcome to the Minors K*D … Minor league baseball parks sellout around the country and such is the case in San Jose…. With the Del Rey being the big leagues and Key Largo being the minors … you find on any given night Key Largo can be filled with hombre’s seeking out diamonds in the rough … and regardless of how homely a girl is … she may realize she can’t compete on the silicon and stunner level, but she will never ever consider herself less then 2nd Tier (and believe me there are more tiers then just 2) even if she has snakes coming out her hair and can turn a gringo’s face to stone.

The Key Largo is such place for the second tier or worse and a place where those trying to overachieve compete against those on their own level for the most part.

It’s been wholly acknowledge over the years by chica’s and hombre’s alike that the landscape of Key Largo is 2nd to that of the Del Rey. With that being said, the chica’s know that if you are trolling back and forth between the 2 venues that you have already subconsciously put out there a willingness to shop “after market” and possibly walk away with something from the bottom shelf. So in their minds, the challenge of being amongst the desired is already settled. It’s now just a matter of winning the crabs in a barrel game with all the other chicas on her level.

So there it is … a battle ground and market place which perpetuates the existence for the less then stunning with hope springing eternal … and the reason why the once before hotties still hang around, and older newcomers start their careers and why that Cyclops’ think they can still compete with that pretty little one eye and sexy DSL’s.


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Ha, entertaining read indeed.. :wink:


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That obese ugly Tica about 5'3" 170 that is usually drunk late at the Blue Marlin cracks me up, she cops an attitute when you tell her no along the lines of "Why not me?", I've seen her do that a bunch of times.


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#6 = priceless

If ya don't know, now ya know :wink:


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Wow, you've put a lot of thought into this! I've never really cared how or why the uglies exist in p4p, I keep all of my attention on the hotties!


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Entertaining read :D

Spot on in most of your observations although I respectfully disagree with #1. I don't really think the KL is the lower tier, especially when you consider the number of chicas that move between the two establishments. I look at the KL more as a "same but different" kinda place. Same chicas, but different atmosphere. Some guys like me, prefer a more laid back atmosphere to do our shopping. I prefer listening to live music and watching the flow of chicas go buy or on the dance floor rather then wade into the shark pit of the BM where all you hear is loud gringos bragging or talking shit. The rest of the DR doesn't interest me as I have no interest in gambling.

Your comment about the beer googles is spot on though. My last visit to the KL I had this one chica who did all the right things to me and said all the right words and I was just finalizing negotiations when my favorita arrived and made a stink , lol. I ended up getting back together with my fav but the next night, I saw this same chica again, early this time though. In the daylight and while sober she was hideous! :shock: I thanked my fav for that rescue I can tell you!


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The only job requirement to be a prostitute is to be willing. [b]Sitting on your ass has no opportunity cost in a country where time has no value.[/b]


"...a country where time has no value."

Profound....very profound. That sentence crystalizes the connection between the economy, the lack of upward mobility, and culture in this, and many other countries.

On of the most common criticisms of north Americans is that they seem impatient and obsessed with money. But it is based on a superficial understanding. We are not obsessed with money...we are obsessed with time. We have things to do and opportunities to accomplish them. Distill the asperations of a north American and they boil down to a variation of being captain of the football team, graduating from Harvard, earning a Medal of Honor, marrying a movie star, starting a company and then selling it for millions of dollars, curing cancer, and writing the great American novel all in the same lifetime. No one can do it all but we all wish we could. Time is important, because we all beleive that if we work hard enough, pursue our dream long enough, and are committed to any goal strongly enough, we can accomplish it. Therefore, time has value. We are a country that invented the correspondence course, the self-help book, the twelve step program, the lay-a-way at the department store, and the Christmas Club program at the local bank. We are optimistic about the future, so we even give credit cards to college freshmen.

Deep down, we used to despise the person for whom time is the period of waiting between welfare checks.

Why don't we want to pay higher taxes? It isn't about the money. It is about the time. For most of us, we work on Monday and Tuesday to pay federal taxes, work on Wednesday to pay state taxes, and work half of Thursday to pay sales and property taxes. What is left of our lives if we have to give up the rest of Thursday and part of Friday? How much of our lives do they want? Why to do "Occupy Wall Street" deadbeats have so much free time to camp out with their friends and beat drums? Doesn't their time mean anything to them? When you take my money, you take the hours and days I spent earning it, and therefore you are taking away chunks of my life.

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a country where time has no value.


When you really think about it, that phrase does explain a lot about many things. Well put!

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DonCarlos wrote:
a country where time has no value.


When you really think about it, that phrase does explain a lot about many things. Well put!



I agree - interesting thread; good post Traveling :)

I too have been amazed at selections guys have made at the popular venues; not matter of my thinking she's a 6 and someone else thinking the girls an 8.

True story.........

I sorta know this guy from S. FL - professional guy, short, a littly nerdy and nebbishy down w/ a friend - he is walking out of the HDR w/ 2 really heavy set ugly black girls - now, beautiful Dominicanas they were not; really looked more like ghetto chicks out of a housing project in the states, down to the black stretch pants [oh, spare me the political correctness - you know what - and who - I'm describing] - to me they were gross.

Anyway, (and if you have read my posts you know what I'm going to say is not a stretch for me although my 2012 resolution is to try to be more tolerant) I asked him WTF - why them w/ so many beautiful girls to choose from, etc. he said he loves the "ghetto" look (even though these were not Americans) - it turns him on, etc.

At that point I figured that my 10 is someone else's 5 - (on in this guys case, his 10 is my 1) and that there is truly a cover for every pot - no explaning taste :)


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Just visit Japan. Those weird little freaks have porn for any sick fetish you can imagine. I'm sure that somewhere out there, there's a .jp web site for Japanese men who like old fat white chicks that smear toothpaste on their tits.


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Very interesting read Traveling. I enjoyed your post.

Now onto the comment by PlaneCrazy.
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Just visit Japan. Those weird little freaks have porn for any sick fetish you can imagine. I'm sure that somewhere out there, there's a .jp web site for Japanese men who like old fat white chicks that smear toothpaste on their tits.


“Those weird little freaks”?? Thanks for such a blatantly racist comment. :roll: :roll:
How did you come across this anyway? Did you visit Japan yourself to personally to look for such “sick fetish” yourself, or did you “accidentally” stumble on to them when you are looking for something else?

“there's a .jp web site for Japanese men who like old fat white chicks that smear toothpaste on their tits”
Do you know that there are a lot more “.com” adult oriented/fetish site than “.jp” in general? Chances are, if you can find them in “.jp”, you can find them in “.com” also. I’m sure there are plenty of sites that feature old fat gringas no matter what country it is in.

Sorry if my comment sounds like hijacking this thread, but I needed to speak up on this. There is no need for such racism in this forum IMHO.


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No disrespect, but I think it is commonly accepted that Japan has some of the weirdest porn out there. I used to have Japanese associates and this was a running joke between them about their porn. :shock:


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Very interesting read Traveling. I enjoyed your post.

Now onto the comment by PlaneCrazy.
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Just visit Japan. Those weird little freaks have porn for any sick fetish you can imagine. I'm sure that somewhere out there, there's a .jp web site for Japanese men who like old fat white chicks that smear toothpaste on their tits.


“Those weird little freaks”?? Thanks for such a blatantly racist comment. :roll: :roll:
How did you come across this anyway? Did you visit Japan yourself to personally to look for such “sick fetish” yourself, or did you “accidentally” stumble on to them when you are looking for something else?

“there's a .jp web site for Japanese men who like old fat white chicks that smear toothpaste on their tits”
Do you know that there are a lot more “.com” adult oriented/fetish site than “.jp” in general? Chances are, if you can find them in “.jp”, you can find them in “.com” also. I’m sure there are plenty of sites that feature old fat gringas no matter what country it is in.

Sorry if my comment sounds like hijacking this thread, but I needed to speak up on this. There is no need for such racism in this forum IMHO.


Actually, yes, I did spend three weeks traveling Japan once. I've also been online for long enought to know about these sort of places. And while i freely admit to having many prejudices, I am most definitely not a racist. I take people at face value and try not to form preconceptions. I also think that my referring to a ( well documented and known) cliche of Japanese society is no more racist then the thousands of references on here to us mongers as " fat, old white gringoes with their young chicas" or, for that matter, the generally derogative treatment of the Ticos as a whole. Taking the moral high ground on this particular forum is hypocritical in the extreme, IMO... not to mention it smacks of political correctness.

But don't take my word for it. Hop on a plane and go to Japan yourself to see the dirty old men who pay schoolgirls to piss on them. Or try and date a japanese girl and see how you're treated. It's interesting to be called a "Gaijin" behind your back a minute after they greeted you with a smile to your face. Japan has some of the most deep seated racism in a culture as I have ever seen.


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Thirdworld, None taken at all. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing which country has the weirdest porn.
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Hop on a plane and go to Japan yourself to see the dirty old men who pay schoolgirls to piss on them.

In fact, I worked in Japan for 4 years, and am well aware that some people have what I consider as a very weird fetish. But at the same time, I also understand that many people in the world think we have a bunch of people who have some extremely weird fetish also. I wouldn’t know it since I don’t really talk about this type of things with colleagues or friends, or actually see it.
One of my friends (Internet security guy) told me that a network blocker (or monitor) at his company caught a guy visiting a site that featured a dude sincerely believed a dolphin was in love with him and wanted to have offspring :shock: Just do a search with "weird porn" on google and see how many pages of results you get in English.
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I take people at face value and try not to form preconceptions.

Hence the comment “Those weird little freaks”? Hmm :roll:
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Or try and date a japanese girl and see how you're treated. It's interesting to be called a "Gaijin" behind your back a minute after they greeted you with a smile to your face.


I have dated Japanese women and was treated very nicely. YMMV. If I read your past post correctly, YOU had a good relationship with a Japanese girl yourself. You even said you dated her in Canada while she attended a school. “Gaijin” means “a foreigner”. Are you not one in Japan? I know I am.

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Japan has some of the most deep seated racism in a culture as I have ever seen.

Now, this is a good one. I guess you haven’t the “world” too much. There are a lot more places in this world that are 100x worse than Japan as far as racism is concerned.


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