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since the initial posting of this thread, Costa Rican inflation has reduced buying power by 24.73%.

$100 now buys equivalently $ 74.80 worth of 2010 poontang!

So, 'CIEN' is now defined as " ciento treinta y uno "!

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Just wanted to chime in this one. I learned from a good friend of mine is Spain how to adjust the asking price. It is just old school bartering. He would never pay asking price. When I first started I did not know what to do. He was paying half the price I was because of it bartering skills. When the wallet start going empty you learn quickly. He would say lets go to the club and I would not have enough to play towards the end of the trip. He would get pissed and tell me to quit giving them ALL your money. He would tell me walk into the place like you own it. Everything I read here is about the negotiation process. It they start off at 100.00 I go 75-80. I might end up paying 100 but I am going to get what I like. I let them know what I want and if they don't want to deal I pass. This is really hard for some people. I had a hard time at first. I'll pay 100 but on our combined terms. I have not had any problems once I figured out the game. Some people just don't want to play or do not understand the game. Hell I love playing the game. I find it also gives you both a feel for what is going to happen when you get in the game. If they know you will not put up with crap then more than likely you are not going to get any. I set the tone and then let them take me for a ride. 100. If that is the going rate fine but I am going to get what I want for it. PLAY BALL

Some people just don't care. Some are used to 300-400 for an hour with an escort at home and this seems like a bargain. Then there is the guys that go on vacation once a year and have the "what is $10-20 when I am on vacation?" The more they go, the more they will learn , but there will always be enough newbies to fuel the cien.

I'm confused... how is your friend paying half the price when all it seems like is you are describing is a way to get more services for the same price? You said that your friend had a good way to adjust the asking price. BTW-100 is not the going rate unless you are a point and shoot monger or a complete newb.

I took a look at the 2013 wage numbers for Costa Rica: This is what the minimum monthly wage (in US $'s)
Maid - $268
Unskilled Labor - $452
Specialized Labor - $585
College Grad w/Bachelor - $824
College Grad w/Masters - $988

So as an equivalent a working girl getting paid $100 for 1 or 2 hours ... is BIG. Just think she could start her own company of specialized workers with only her income. I have read the average lady makes $250/day (if she is getting $100/hr I am sure it is more) and works 5 days a week. That is $1,250 a week and about $5,300 a month.

Now compare that to a working girl in the US. They charge an avg of about about $225/hr. Most girls see 3 clients a day and work 5 days a week. So that is about $14,300 a month.

Avg Rate for Specialized Labor in US is $20/hr or $3,400/month.

A CR working girl could hire - 8 specialized laborers per month and still have her own specialized labor salary.
A US working girl could hire - 3 specialized laborers per month and still have her own specialized labor salary.

Based on this I am not sure how bad I feel for the working girls in CR. This gives me a greater resolve to negotiate more with them.

TEHO.

If you seriously believe the average prostitute in Costa Rica makes 250 dollars per day, 1250 per week and 5300 per month... I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

mh

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That is average for maybe a week.. Even in the US. No "average" girl gets that many customers.. not Costa Rica, not US. That would be considered the top 2% of working girls.

How many times have you been to Costa Rica How much time have you spent here actually observing and talking to working chicas here Where did you "read" that the average working chica here makes $250 a day and works 5 days a week Please quote what "idiot" source this is!! Every chica here wishes and dreams of making this much money MAYBE, and I use that with much doubt, you might actually find 10-15 out of the estimated 4000 prostitutes working here at any given time who will come close to that on a daily basis but not 5 of these will work 5 days a week. IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN, NO MATTER WHO YOU TALK TO, WHAT YOU READ, OR WHAT YOU THINK YOU SEE ON THE GROUND HERE!!!! The only places where any chica gets on average $100 is the REY, Cocal, A couple of escort agencies, and a couple of MPs. Truth is in the REY the average is probably closer to $75 (being very generous in all probability) per session. On average less than 25 chicas in the Rey will average even 1 or more sessions per day she works!! And the average chica in the REY works on average less than 4 days per week. Cocal the amount per session is a little higher, but the number of days worked is even lower, and expenses higher!! The ******* average maybe 2-3 clients a week for the best chicas. I know ******* who make $200 an hour when working but they also work in MPs or the REY just to make enough to live on. The 2 MPs where chicas can make $100 an hour have so many chicas working and not that many customers (How many Ticos do you figure can pay $140 total per one hour session ) that even the best do good to average one a day!!

I know these chicas, I know how much many of them make on average, and it does not come close to what you seem to believe In fact I would venture to guess that the chicas making the most money are the ones who work the internet and get "Idiot" Gringos to send them money every month "to not work" when he is not here! I have known more than one chica who will have as many as 3-4 guys sending money every month; AND THEY STILL "WORK" 2-3 DAYS A WEEK.

Also most MP chicas will work 5, sometimes, 6 days a week; and the very best (maybe 20-25 chicas in total) will make as much as $500-$600 a week in a good week The average independent works only 3-4 days a week on average (and average one client per 2-3 days worked)!! (THEY (INDEPENDENTS) ARE BY NATURE VERY LAZY, AND WILL ONLY WORK FOR WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO MAKE JUST ENOUGH TO LIVE ON!!) And, by the way, when you ARE HERE get a few of those chicas you think are making $5000+ a month to show you their house and how they live!! 90+% live in a 1 or 2 bedroom house you probably would be reluctant to even enter; they share it with 3-4 K*ds and another (working chica) with 3-4 K*ds or a boyfriend or husband who likely does not even work; not one in 50 will have a car; they sleep on a foam 4 inch mattress lying on the floor; most will not have more than a portable 1 or 2 burner hot plate to cook on; many will not even have a fridge!!! They eat mostly rice and beans and junk food (reason so many have a pudgy belly ). This is not hearsay, I have been in many of their homes over the last 20 years!!! Also, it has been estimated by several sources over the years that as many as 60-70% have a husband or live-in boyfriend/girlfriend Strangely, a large number of prostitutes here are very BI or even lesbian and only do guys for money And in my experience those are often the ones who provide the best service when working !
In conclusion, don't feel to bad about making such inaccurate assumptions about prostitutes here!! Many guys have come here, spent a week setting in the REY watching the chicas work their magic, seen a very few ride up the elevator a couple of times in a night, and assumed the same outrageous figures to be the case for all prostitutes here! It just is not the case, not even close!!!!

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In my very, very short time here on CRT, I realize that the hammer here comes down quite hard. Although I have only been on CRT a short time, I have been breathing CR air for over a decade. So, as a perhaps more realistic view of things, I would say this:

Perhaps a girl does make $100 per hour. That does not necessarily mean that she makes $800 per day in an 8-hour day, nor does it mean that she makes $4000 per week for a 5-day week. What it means is that she makes $100 if she is lucky enough to get $100 from a guy for a 1-hour session. That might happen once a week or 10 times a week. I am good friends with more than one girl who at one time or another has been an "all star" in the gulch, who has also had her tough times. The point being, it doesn't matter.

Also, said girl is probably the major breadwinner for a down-on-its-luck family. Now, we could write pages on how the family got itself into that situation. Is not relevant to the discussion. She is probably the primary source of income for at least one Ch*ld, one sibling, and two parents -- at a minimum. No commentary here on how the family got itself into that situation, it's just a common scenario in CR.

I never passed any judgment on these girls, nor do I extol their virtues. They got dealt a hand of cards, and they play them. I would say to any guy coming to Costa Rica, to get past their preconceptions of how good or bad these girls are and just deal with them as people. It's business.

You want to negotiate? Fine. Negotiate. Unless you know the girl, you have no idea if she's a bad person or a good person. She might be trying to rip you off, or she might be trying to pay the water bill tomorrow. In my opinion, that's not my or your business. Unless you know her, pay what you think is fair, or walk away.

I am sorry for not pointing out I was referencing the top 20% of working girls on average. I am the kind of guy who doesn't want t o deal with the bottom 80. The top 20 is not based on looks alone either or price charged. It is a "combo" score of looks, GFE/attitude and brains.

I am a CR/CRT newbie and do not remember where I read it but kept seeing $200 - $300 as what the better chicas make in a day. I now see I am wrong as I have also read enough to know that BangBang is one of the top 5% authorities on CR/CRT.

I do know ladies here in TX who do make the numbers I talk about. I also know those who don't make half of that but act like they do. The problem may be universal in that once they start getting popular they raise their rate until eventually they were overpriced. Then they become to prideful to lower their rate.

I just find it strange that there is such a big thread here on not giving girls $100 for a session. If it is such a big problem I would think my numbers would be more accurate. Maybe I am not seeing it but maybe this thread is more about why and how to negotiate rates.

I am fairly appreciative of the posts on CRT. I am a veteran of the TX "hobby" scene. The negotiation skills are transferable but the cultural and background information are important to that process. The general mindset of the CR ladies and motivations is also important in negotiating.

Thanks again BB and others for your "boots on the ground" information.

First of all, I love, I positively love, CR. I don't think I'll ever stop loving this country or its people. it certainly has its very fine points. It also has its bad points. One of the bad points is the way that the culture, which is mostly wonderful, treats certain things. I am not much of a wordsmith, so I don't know how to say it any better than this:

A girl has a great thing going... Her first thought? "How can I run this awesome situation right into the ground?" I shit you not, I have seen this happen so many times, it's laughable. I could easily pimp out a dozen girls just by myself, and they would make tons of money. But, they would ruin it in less than a couple of weeks. Pimping is illegal in Costa Rica. Guess what? That's protection for the MEN! If you were allowed to be a pimp, that would be about two weeks away from prison time.

My girlfriend's niece (thank GOD I have a decent girlfriend) just broke up with her boyfriend last week. Guess why... He had a summer home in La Fortuna, a nice villa in San Jose, and a 150-foot yacht trolling the pacific coast. Well... apparently... she didn't clean up around the house enough and didn't get enough of an allowance to go out on the weekends. I looked her straight in the eyes and said "I would turn GAY to have 2 villas and a yacht, all expenses paid, and I would clean up a little bit! You're an Idiot!"

Even with that caveat, your estimates of top echelon working girl income in Costa Rica are extremely high. Not even putimodelos earn USD 5K per month on a regular basis via prostitution... unless they get veeeery lucky that month. And if they do, they simply stop working until they need to pay the bills next month.

To answer your question, this thread was originally started by a long time member who pointed out mongers should focus less on cien and more on how much they GET from the provider in exchange for their money.

mh

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That is the essence of what I was trying to say earlier. Sorry, I am terrible at expressing ideas in words.

This is what I think guys coming to Costa Rica need to understand about the girls here. There is no sense of "good service". There is no sense of "future". There are the rare critters in CR that don't think that way, but they are, indeed, quite rare.

Are there girls that enjoy random sex? Sure.

Are there girls that get turned on by certain guys that are "just visiting?" Sure.

Are there girls that are out to have sex with gringos for cash and have a good time doing it? Sure.

Are there girls that want to make $37.58 to pay the water bill tomorrow, and then go home? Sure.

Today is today. Tomorrow is tomorrow. Pura Vida... the CR motto.

I used to know this girl that hung out at the Sportsmens Lodge. We'll call her "Olive". Tall, lean. Very unusual for Costa Rica. She used to complain all the time about some dude that came down from Florida 3 or 4 times every year. She was super-attracted to him physically, but she routinely referred to him as "jackass." She was physically attracted, but she had zero respect for him. I still see her sometimes. She still thinks he's a scumbag, and I doubt he even cares what she thinks of him.

Point being... She separates the Now from Tomorrow. She only sees today. Her attitude, which she actually verbalized to me: "I think he's hot, but I would abort any Ch*ld he put in my belly." That's saying something, from a girl from a good Catholic country.

So, guys. You got a girl in your room that is making you feel like you're king of the world? She's a good actress, that's all. God bless her for being a good actress. If only the rest of them would get that. I've had that conversation with more girls than I can count at the Hotel Del Rey. I ask the girl, "What is your job?" She will often look puzzled, and try to ask what I mean. She might say "working girl" or "puta." I always say, "NO! I will tell you what your job is. You are an ACTRESS! Every guy here (the visual works great on Saturday night, when there are 100 guys in the Del Rey) is looking for a girl that will make him believe that a hot 20-year-old girl is in lust with him for about 1 hour. And, even if he is only here for one day, in his entire life, he'll tell every guy that will listen, "Holy Shit! That girl RIGHT THERE (pointing finger) just banged the hell out of me, and SHE IS AWESOME!"

Andrea (Energizer Bunny), Naomi (from the old Zona Blue), Andrea (Tall, Curvy, Strawberry Blonde) -- those girls all knew the drill. Guess what? Married. And I mean GOOD MARRIED, not some 2-year bullshit.

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side notes: Andrea Energizer Bunny actually was on the outs with her hubby about 1 year ago and came over to my place for the night. I always liked her "I need to Phuck!" style. She phucked me stupid and then ran out the door to get home before anyone realized that she was missing.

Naomi from ZB was all sex appeal. God, I miss that girl. She had this habit of grabbing me by the hair and dragging me up to my room. She would push me onto the floor and kick the door closed with her feet while trying to disrobe herself and me as quickly as possible.

Where are these kind of girls now? They are out there, I know...

DING DING DING. We have a winner!!!

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