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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:04 pm 
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Today 1011 new cases and 18 deaths. A record!!


they'll blame it on the influx of tourists


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Wow talk about censorship...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/people-test-p ... d=72263772


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https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/21-y ... -of-death/


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:30 pm 
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I do not care what any of your politics are. I believe my eyes. I know when I am being lied to and played. The government here is either lying, stupid or corrupt. Maybe all three. The virus is real. It kills people who are old, people who are fat, and people who have health issues. Like myself and most of us. It is not killing young healthy people. It is not killing K*ds. Influenza kills the same target group as this virus. I have witnessed this thing unfold here. The response has been completely illogical. The first thing that occurred was to close the borders and close the schools and areas of congregation of groups. The explanation was to buy time, flatten the curve so that the healthcare system was not overrun. The effects of the virus were not widely known at this time. This much of the response was appropriate. This response was from people in government who have had years to plan for an emergency and had no plan. As more became known about the virus the shift was to try to stop it completely by preventing it from taking hold. Don't let the tourists come and spread it all over the country. Find the cases through contact tracing and isolate them. Great idea if you have the resources. As cases popped up around the country it was how great they are doing controlling this. The deaths were at a minimum a month ago.

Enter the WHO with money to pay for healthcare for Nicaraguan refugees. Suddenly they were finding hotspots all over Guanacaste and northern Costa Rica. It was the fault of the Nicas sneaking in illegally. There is plenty of animosity between the poor Costa Ricans and the Nicas without casting blame. Suddenly Costa Rica that was doing 200 to 300 tests a day started doing 2000 tests a day and the numbers started skyrocketing. Where did the money come form to pay for the tests? Also getting blame besides the agricultural workers were the truck drivers. Opening up the northern and southern borders to truckers passing through Costa Rica was another way to cast blame.

If you know Costa Ricans like I know them you will understand that "No es mi culpa!" is their national motto. Politicians always try to cover their ass. They have been setting this up since day one. They continued to impose restrictions to the point that the country has been in near lockdown for almost 4 months. There is no end in sight. The people here are suffering. Mostly in silence. There are a thousand people out of work within 200 yards of my apartment. They don't have government handouts to fall back on. They say a half million out of work. I say twice that and many more earning a fraction of what they are use to.

Exactly what did keeping tourists out accomplish? The logic is we can't have people coming in from countries where the virus is raging and then spreading all over the country. This is the flaw in the logic. The virus is here and has been growing since day one. The restrictions slowed it down slightly to begin with. Keeping millions of school K*ds at home kept the cases down for a while. They preached sanitation and social distancing for the past 3 months. Now it is you got to have a mask or you are a heartless inconsiderate piece of shit. They blamed the increases in cases on numbers on the people who insisted on partying. They said the measures were for the good of everyone.

Most on this board have not been here and seen downtown San Jose during these restrictions. I am probably the only one who has seen places where Costa Ricans are afraid to go. There are slums around San Jose that worse than anything I ever saw in the states. Much worse than the housing projects that I spent years working in while policing in Atlanta. Most of you can't picture 10 people living in 300 sq. feet. Across from my apartment there is a family of 4 that lives in a 5 x 5 guard shack. My wife is from one of these neighborhoods. I pass through there a couple times a week. Masks, sanitation worries, social distancing didn't exist. They have more important things to do like finding a way to have food. My sister in law lived in an area called La Milpa. It is a creek bottom where people squatted. They put up shelters made of tin, cardboard, scrap wood. People have squatters rights here. Once established they are hard to get out. Several hundred people live here. Sanitation is an outhouse, showers are from a hose, electricity is from drop cords. There is a large plywood wall on the boundry of one entrance that has spaces for about 50 electrical meters and has about 5 actually plugged in. This is one of dozens of areas that are as bad or worse around San Jose. Thing is nobody is getting sick there or dying. My wife's family is there all the time. They know of nobody who has died or gotten the virus. Nobody is under quarantine. They are now wearing masks. They have to in order to go into any business or to ride the bus.

This is the big problem I have had with the restrictions. This is why they are a lie. The bus system here is how most of the poor people get from one place to another. Hundreds of thousands of people ride busses in Costa Rica daily. There has been no social distancing on these buses. I have been on one recently where it was standing room only. There is no sanitation on these buses. I can't walk into the grocery store without getting alcohol squirted on my hands but I can ride a bus that hasn't seen sanitation. Not only can I ride the bus, I can get on it and to anywhere in Costa Rica. What is the difference between a sick tourist going to Arenal and a sick Tico going to visit his sister there? I can't walk down a beach with nobody in sight but I can sit next to a stranger. I can't visit a National Park that has next to no locals ever visiting. They are mainly used by tourists.

I have heard masks since day one. The same people now saying masks will save you today, three months ago were saying they did no good. Now if you don't wear a masks you are a racist. Everybody is a racist that doesn't believe what I believe. Guilt, racism are just tools to control you. And you better believe we are being controlled.

I feel for the people of Costa Rica. I worry for the future of my K*ds. I worry what the world will look like when this is over. I will gladly discuss my politics with anyone who wants to pm me. This is not the place. I can agree to disagree with anyone and I can rationally present how I feel and listen to your concerns.

I would like everyone who reads this to take steps to be better informed. Come to whatever conclusions you choose. One thing that I would like for you to do is look at the Texas Department of Health website. On the site you can see statistics they have published for years. Compare years 2018 - 2019 number of deaths from influenza-pneumonia (they group them together) with the year running from Oct. to Oct. Then look at the year 2019-2020 for deaths from influenza-pneumonia and covid grouped together. This was the best site that I have seen for understanding how serious this pandemic really is. Other states did not keep as easily findable numbers. Texas has 25 million people. A great scientific test sample. Understand that cause of death is not a really accurate statistic. Old people die. Rarely are they tested to determine why if they die in their sleep at 85. I would like you to research the outbreak of the virus on the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt. I can tell you that 5000 people were together on the ship for several months as the virus played out. All of them were tested. 1000 tested positive. Most never knew they had it. Less than 20 required medical attention beyond over the counter symptom relief. One of the sailors died. One out of 1000 with the virus. One out of 5000 who without doubt were exposed to the virus. This is a large sample from a health adult population. If you check on deaths of Ch*ldren and teenagers you will find a few deaths world wide. A closer examination of these would reveal that the ones who died had pre-existing conditions.

I would like for you to go to website Brightbart.com and look at the video that has been circulating on the internet like crazy for the past 24 hours. It is an interview with front line physicians who express their opinion of what is going on. If you see this and it raises questions good. You should question what is going on. This is the most defining moment in our lives. You should try to understand it and come to your own conclusions based on knowledge, not fear. Take care all of you. my friends. Pops


very well written. Thanks you!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:30 pm 
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Pops, thanks for sharing all ur insight.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:04 pm 
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So here's some interesting food for thought concerning the coronavirus in Costa Rica. Since Costa Rica has decided to start "inviting people" by US state, I thought it would be interesting to compare the Costa Rica statistics today at https://delfino.cr/2020/03/covid-19-en-costa-rica with those from states in the US.

Due to comparable population sizes (AZ has 7 million, CR has 5 million) and previous availability of direct flights to Costa Rica, I chose Arizona as a representative state that is currently "not invited" yet is among the leading states in reducing the coronavirus transmission rate (second lowest transmission rate in the US as of today according to https://rt.live).

What I found is that Costa Rica's most-recently reported daily positive case rate (+666) exceeds Arizona's (+619) even though Arizona has a 40% larger population. Costa Rica's current positivity rate is roughly 7 times higher than Arizona's. And Costa Rica reported 12 new deaths to Arizona's 4 new deaths. And Arizona's cases are trending down, while Costa Rica's are trending up.

You can draw your own conclusions on where this is going. But let's just say that the sword has two edges.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:37 pm 
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So does Costa Rica still want to "invite" by state? The sword has two edges.


They are probably taking into consideration as a component of their decisions the regulations/laws (what ever you want to call them) the states have implemented and what matches closely to what CR has implemented locally as well....basically in their mind an extension of CR policies.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:47 pm 
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So does Costa Rica still want to "invite" by state? The sword has two edges.


They are probably taking into consideration as a component of their decisions the regulations/laws (what ever you want to call them) the states have implemented and what matches closely to what CR has implemented locally as well....basically in their mind an extension of CR policies.


I must have been editing that line when you posted and you got the quote in before I finished. LOL.

Anyway, you could be right about their considerations, but no one knows. It would be nice if they provided an explanation of their policies. They don't make much scientific sense as they stand.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:15 pm 
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They may not have considered the data at all. If you just casually follow the us news then this makes sense. For the last month all the news has said was look how good NY is doing and omg the south is out of control. Plus if you're looking for some PR, saying you will let the large NY population in sounds better for business than some small markets.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:15 pm 
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They may not have considered the data at all. If you just casually follow the us news then this makes sense. For the last month all the news has said was look how good NY is doing and omg the south is out of control. Plus if you're looking for some PR, saying you will let the large NY population in sounds better for business than some small markets.


Very good point. That is a very insightful and plausible explanation. The media has certainly distorted the truth in its never-ending quest to create attention-grabbing, panic-inducing headlines, facts and truth be damned. So if the CR government is relying on CNN to gather information, it's no wonder that their policies would be logically and scientifically inexplicable.


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RicoGuapo wrote:
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So does Costa Rica still want to "invite" by state? The sword has two edges.


They are probably taking into consideration as a component of their decisions the regulations/laws (what ever you want to call them) the states have implemented and what matches closely to what CR has implemented locally as well....basically in their mind an extension of CR policies.


I must have been editing that line when you posted and you got the quote in before I finished. LOL.

Anyway, you could be right about their considerations, but no one knows. It would be nice if they provided an explanation of their policies. They don't make much scientific sense as they stand.


So looking at yesterdays numbers... the states allowed in have new cases/million population of 35, 21, 14, 6, 33, 10. (New York, New Jersey, Maine, Vermont, Conneticut, New Hampshire) The states others talk about in this thread have new cases of 96, 99, 153, 211, 260 - per million population (Ohio, Arizona, Texas, Florida, Georgia) So there may be some science to this. That is only one day's numbers, but they bounce around in a range close to the numbers I used. Basically they could pick areas near major airports that have had flights to Costa Rica in the past (they already have agreements for airport services, landing rights, etc.), and have numbers say...less than 50 new cases per day per million population (just an example number I am using for discussion sake) and so the Florida ones are out, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas/Ft Worth are out...leaves New York.

And I obviously have no insight on how they decided, but if you feel you need to let flights in from some part of the USA and it has to be an area where there have been flights from prior to Covid (so they have agreements for landing, etc.) then the New York area would be it.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:55 pm 
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There is alot of confusion and various viewpoints all attributed to either incomplete or skewed numbers.

When this is all over, the emotional and psychological impact will be real for all CRT member.
Will we only.be able to pick a lady from behind a plexiglass ? Will we have to wear a mask , double bag, and from behind only ? Are prices going to be higher or lower ?Will we have to carry a 12 pack of instant saliva or blood prick tests ? So many questions??

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We used to be able to pick babes from behind plexiglass at New Fantasy years ago, before the remodel.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:35 am 
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So looking at yesterdays numbers... the states allowed in have new cases/million population of 35, 21, 14, 6, 33, 10. (New York, New Jersey, Maine, Vermont, Conneticut, New Hampshire) The states others talk about in this thread have new cases of 96, 99, 153, 211, 260 - per million population (Ohio, Arizona, Texas, Florida, Georgia) So there may be some science to this.


If you're going to use new cases per million people as the primary criteria for entry, then compare to Costa Rica's numbers. Yesterday's new cases in Costa Rica were 950. That's about 190 per million. By that yardstick, most of the US is in better shape than Costa Rica (including Ohio, Arizona, and Texas by your numbers that were mentioned above. As a matter of fact, as of today, the only states worse than CR by that yardstick are Mississippi, Georgia, Nevada, Tennessee, North Dakota, Alabama, Arkansas, and Florida. All of the remaining 42 states have lower cases per million people than Costa Rica.) I would also point out that with a positivity rate exceeding 30% at present, Costa Rica's real numbers are likely to be much worse.

Even though Costa Rica may open, the real limiting factor in tourists coming back may not be the restrictions on states, the insurance costs, or the ability to get PCR test results within 48 hours of take-off. The real limiting factor may be that Costa Rica's infection rate may keep folks from going there (and possibly encountering quarantine on return). Costa Rica's numbers are presently on the rise and not looking good at all. (See https://delfino.cr/2020/03/covid-19-en-costa-rica) And this cannot be logically blamed on tourists as tourists have been locked out while the cases have risen. Pops was absolutely right when he made the statement below:

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Exactly what did keeping tourists out accomplish? The logic is we can't have people coming in from countries where the virus is raging and then spreading all over the country. This is the flaw in the logic. The virus is here and has been growing since day one.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:34 pm 
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Sad to report that today's daily case numbers in Costa Rica are the highest to date at 1214 new cases and the trend is increasing. This brings it up to 23.8 cases per 100K (higher than all but 5 states), still with positivity rate in excess of 40% which indicates that not enough testing is being done and the real numbers are likely to be much higher (worse).


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