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 Post subject: Re: coranavirus concern
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:51 am 
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Way, way back when I was a high school K*D.. I thought 'Scientific American' was a cool publication coming from a thoughtful and also educated place. Well now.. with all of these 'free?' self appointed experts 'showing me the way'... why should I even tax my brain, thinking for myself??? The 'easy' way is to choose some fool to believe. And follow him (or her) right down their 'rabbit' hole that leads to and also winds up nowhere. The ability/acquired skill to be able to always question everything.. is one of the best gifts that if we are lucky and smart enough, that we could ever (in one lifetime) be able to receive. I suppose it just all comes down to our 'individual' choices (and reasoning). Or maybe how many lifetimes that you (think you) have to do it over and over again. Don't count on it. Get it right.. right now.. or forever fade away into oblivion.


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So many experts.......so much BS.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:32 am 
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Way, way back when I was a high school K*D.. I thought 'Scientific American' was a cool publication coming from a thoughtful and also educated place. Well now.. with all of these 'free?' self appointed experts 'showing me the way'... why should I even tax my brain, thinking for myself??? The 'easy' way is to choose some fool to believe. And follow him (or her) right down their 'rabbit' hole that leads to and also winds up nowhere. The ability/acquired skill to be able to always question everything.. is one of the best gifts that if we are lucky and smart enough, that we could ever (in one lifetime) be able to receive. I suppose it just all comes down to our 'individual' choices (and reasoning). Or maybe how many lifetimes that you (think you) have to do it over and over again. Don't count on it. Get it right.. right now.. or forever fade away into oblivion.


None of us have the knowledge to be experts in everything, in reality not even in anything. Even the Nobel Prize winners only have expertise in their own fields. So we all have to choose what voices we listen to, and we need to be very skeptical especially with the internet bringing complex and convoluted stories to us...mostly based on false assumptions and false stories. I have a very strong belief that it is only the scientific method (based on skeptical thought and processes) that can tell us what is real. And I'm using the term "scientific method" in a broad sense. So basically we can know something is true or real when others can question every part of it, go through the proofs and find no way to refute them, and eventually the community of those with the ability to understand the "something" finally agree that it is real or true. And of course that is always provisional, because new or more complete understandings may come in the future.

The questions around this virus, what is it, how does it spread, how can we slow down the spread, how can it be treated, how can it be prevented - all of these questions are being worked on in real time as we go through this. I have not heard any of the real experts, the epidemiologists, the virologists, the medical community, come across as dogmatic. They are trying to answer those questions as they learn more about this disease. But, even without all the answers actions had to be taken. And around the world every country I know of has taken some action. Far far away from all the political crap in the US and other places, countries on the left, right, and center have felt they needed to do something to stop the spread of this virus, and eventually treat it or cure it successfully. And these people come from many countries, many political backgrounds, and basically only have a scientific approach to the issue in common.

The rise of the outright attack on the messengers and spokespersons for action against this virus is unprecedented I think. There is a new conspiracy every minute it seems.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:24 pm 
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I really like how these same Karens who were hacking their lungs out a few months ago are now telling me to "pull up your mask all the way". But, that's the direction of the Herd right now.


Don't get me wrong I love sheep, I just prefer to eat mine and not be one. I might be a little more on board with the mask thing if everyone was wearing a gas mask type apparatus but for Christs' sake most of the face coverings are a joke. I am going to make one out of pantyhose just to make a point...... I'm wearing a mask Phuck your mandate it doesn't do shit but I'm wearing one.....


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:33 pm 
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Jackal wrote:
I really like how these same Karens who were hacking their lungs out a few months ago are now telling me to "pull up your mask all the way". But, that's the direction of the Herd right now.


Don't get me wrong I love sheep, I just prefer to eat mine and not be one. I might be a little more on board with the mask thing if everyone was wearing a gas mask type apparatus but for Christs' sake most of the face coverings are a joke. I am going to make one out of pantyhose just to make a point...... I'm wearing a mask Phuck your mandate it doesn't do shit but I'm wearing one.....


I guess there's no point in explaining how masks actually help, and how they work.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:41 pm 
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Ilv4play wrote:
Jackal wrote:
I really like how these same Karens who were hacking their lungs out a few months ago are now telling me to "pull up your mask all the way". But, that's the direction of the Herd right now.


Don't get me wrong I love sheep, I just prefer to eat mine and not be one. I might be a little more on board with the mask thing if everyone was wearing a gas mask type apparatus but for Christs' sake most of the face coverings are a joke. I am going to make one out of pantyhose just to make a point...... I'm wearing a mask Phuck your mandate it doesn't do shit but I'm wearing one.....


I guess there's no point in explaining how masks actually help, and how they work.

Perhaps you should explain how a ventilator works. :shock:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:53 pm 
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Don't get me wrong I love sheep, I just prefer to eat mine and not be one. I might be a little more on board with the mask thing if everyone was wearing a gas mask type apparatus but for Christs' sake most of the face coverings are a joke. I am going to make one out of pantyhose just to make a point...... I'm wearing a mask Phuck your mandate it doesn't do shit but I'm wearing one.....


I guess there's no point in explaining how masks actually help, and how they work.

Perhaps you should explain how a ventilator works. :shock:[/quote]

That's a privilege for those who don't want to do anything to stop the spread of this virus, and hopefully those against wearing masks will get to experience it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:19 am 
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Zeos wrote:
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Zeos wrote:

I guess there's no point in explaining how masks actually help, and how they work.

Perhaps you should explain how a ventilator works. :shock:


That's a privilege for those who don't want to do anything to stop the spread of this virus, and hopefully those against wearing masks will get to experience it.


I was on one for two months (not COVID related), would not hope that experience for anyone.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:48 am 
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Zeos wrote:
Ilv4play wrote:
Jackal wrote:
I really like how these same Karens who were hacking their lungs out a few months ago are now telling me to "pull up your mask all the way". But, that's the direction of the Herd right now.


Don't get me wrong I love sheep, I just prefer to eat mine and not be one. I might be a little more on board with the mask thing if everyone was wearing a gas mask type apparatus but for Christs' sake most of the face coverings are a joke. I am going to make one out of pantyhose just to make a point...... I'm wearing a mask Phuck your mandate it doesn't do shit but I'm wearing one.....


I guess there's no point in explaining how masks actually help, and how they work.


There are a lot of not very effective masks out there however...

#1 and preserved for front line workers is the N95 of course.

2nd most effective and very effective is the blue and white surgical grade mask available everywhere now. Blue goes on outside and white over the cake hole. Maybe not the prettiest but thick, covers the whole cake hole and nose, not too uncomfortable and the real ones have a thin metal strip at top to sinch down around the nose real tight almost creating a positive suction when inhaling to limit outside air intake.

And is a whole lot more comfortable than MOPP Level IV CBR suits and gas mask if you were ever in the military.

This ain't polititical B.S. propaganda from me is just my Engineering brain compiling the abundance of medical information & my own personal observations into what seems very logically bricks and mortar that there is at least one effective mask style out there available to non medical peoples.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:41 am 
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Nope, no sense trying to convince me like I have no chance of getting you to see my point of view. Some people go bareback and others always suit up. I have lived 55 years without a mask, I will go till I die without one. And for the record, my health directive is no ventilator and no heroic measures. When it is my time to go that is when I am ready. I am not going to change my personal thinking and feelings for anyone except myself.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:53 am 
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Alright im doing it, VIBE CHECK! Lets change the vibe from Political and health back to P4P and phucking havin fun. I think we can all agree that we will not all agree. So with that, anyone been hitting up TJ or anywhere else lately?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:09 am 
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Ilv4play wrote:
Nope, no sense trying to convince me like I have no chance of getting you to see my point of view. Some people go bareback and others always suit up. I have lived 55 years without a mask, I will go till I die without one. And for the record, my health directive is no ventilator and no heroic measures. When it is my time to go that is when I am ready. I am not going to change my personal thinking and feelings for anyone except myself.


Daaaamn! You must REALLY hate foggy glasses :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Ilv4play wrote:
Nope, no sense trying to convince me like I have no chance of getting you to see my point of view. Some people go bareback and others always suit up. I have lived 55 years without a mask, I will go till I die without one. And for the record, my health directive is no ventilator and no heroic measures. When it is my time to go that is when I am ready. I am not going to change my personal thinking and feelings for anyone except myself.


Daaaamn! You must REALLY hate foggy glasses :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



Did you see Andy Reids (KC Chiefs Coach) Visor fogging up on week one? I guess he got it fixed using the NHL visor for week 2. He said it sucked but he could win with both eyes closed.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:25 am 
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jonny99 wrote:
Way, way back when I was a high school K*D.. I thought 'Scientific American' was a cool publication coming from a thoughtful and also educated place. Well now.. with all of these 'free?' self appointed experts 'showing me the way'... why should I even tax my brain, thinking for myself??? The 'easy' way is to choose some fool to believe. And follow him (or her) right down their 'rabbit' hole that leads to and also winds up nowhere. The ability/acquired skill to be able to always question everything.. is one of the best gifts that if we are lucky and smart enough, that we could ever (in one lifetime) be able to receive. I suppose it just all comes down to our 'individual' choices (and reasoning). Or maybe how many lifetimes that you (think you) have to do it over and over again. Don't count on it. Get it right.. right now.. or forever fade away into oblivion.


None of us have the knowledge to be experts in everything, in reality not even in anything. Even the Nobel Prize winners only have expertise in their own fields. So we all have to choose what voices we listen to, and we need to be very skeptical especially with the internet bringing complex and convoluted stories to us...mostly based on false assumptions and false stories. I have a very strong belief that it is only the scientific method (based on skeptical thought and processes) that can tell us what is real. And I'm using the term "scientific method" in a broad sense. So basically we can know something is true or real when others can question every part of it, go through the proofs and find no way to refute them, and eventually the community of those with the ability to understand the "something" finally agree that it is real or true. And of course that is always provisional, because new or more complete understandings may come in the future.

The questions around this virus, what is it, how does it spread, how can we slow down the spread, how can it be treated, how can it be prevented - all of these questions are being worked on in real time as we go through this. I have not heard any of the real experts, the epidemiologists, the virologists, the medical community, come across as dogmatic. They are trying to answer those questions as they learn more about this disease. But, even without all the answers actions had to be taken. And around the world every country I know of has taken some action. Far far away from all the political crap in the US and other places, countries on the left, right, and center have felt they needed to do something to stop the spread of this virus, and eventually treat it or cure it successfully. And these people come from many countries, many political backgrounds, and basically only have a scientific approach to the issue in common.

The rise of the outright attack on the messengers and spokespersons for action against this virus is unprecedented I think. There is a new conspiracy every minute it seems.


Wow, Zeos, I have to say I think this is a great summary and description of what we are going though in the world with this virus.


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