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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:56 am 
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Thanks Rob! I guess we'll see.

Circus great logic as always I a cigar smoke have no desire to inflict my habit on anyone it bothers I just wish there was some comprise like maybe leave it up to the business's. That way non smokers can go to non smoking places and smokers could go to where they are welcome. seems simple to me. Oh well!



It is simple and should be the choice of the business owner - if employees don't want to work there, last I heard slavery is illegal.

Sure, I know one has nothing to do with the other (sure.... :roll: :roll: ) but I see CR getting more and more like the USA every day - there is another thread in this section talking about baning prostitution and anything so related - while it likely will not, nor pass close to its current form, the fact that its up for discussion gives me apause - chip away a little bit at a time and soon you have a hole dug.

Yeah, I get it re smoking bans - but I sure as shit don't have to like it, nor do I have to accept that there cannot be some compromises, realizing the smokers are going to come out on the short end.

Your problem is you have a brain and what you say/write makes sense, Dave :) :lol: :)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:22 pm 
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Chubbs bar on Morazan Park is now smoke free due to the decision of management to comply with the letter of the law.

Let's see what happens with the rest after semana santa.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:43 pm 
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If this law is enforced... it will be the demise of a number of businesses. If they give tico bars a pass then we can see how hypocritical the law is. It will not matter since we are guest in a foreign country and basically have no rights.

I have seen how justice works there being taken to the police station when ticos and ticas were not. I was a gringo and not afforded the same rights as the locals.

I spent 8 days during the 70's at a Mexican jail in a border town....that's another story.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I firmly believe that this is government's attempt to make it more less desirable for gringos to travel to CR and enjoy the sex trade. Just one more restriction to reduce our traffic. Hey, I am for less smoke in bars but I see their hidden intent.

Like I stated previously, wait until they go through your luggage and confiscate tobacco items...not to mention other items identified to the sex trade. Go ahead and laugh.....for now.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:18 pm 
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So gentlemen, what is the bottom line on this new law? I am arriving May 2nd. Does this mean I cannot sit by the open window at the Sportsmen's and have a cigar? Or will this be policed immediately?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:06 am 
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DonCarlos wrote:
Chubbs bar on Morazan Park is now smoke free due to the decision of management to comply with the letter of the law.

Let's see what happens with the rest after semana santa.


Thank God! Last month I was in Chubbs twice, sitting at the bar beside a smoker on both occasions. The smoke was blowing right in my face. I couldn't move to another seat, as the bar (and tables) was FULL. Both times, once one cigarette was completely smoked, they lit another one up about two minutes later. It was either 'put up with it' or leave (I left).

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:32 am 
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Gringotim wrote:
Thank God! Last month I was in Chubbs twice, sitting at the bar beside a smoker on both occasions. The smoke was blowing right in my face. I couldn't move to another seat, as the bar (and tables) was FULL. Both times, once one cigarette was completely smoked, they lit another one up about two minutes later. It was either 'put up with it' or leave (I left).


I hear ya I am a cigar smoker and if you were there first I would have offered you one and if you didn't partake I would have asked if you minded if I smoked. If it bothered you I would not have lit up or moved somewhere maybe even outside, many cigar smokers would do this. I also did this when I smoked cigs which I quit about four years ago after smoking for thirty. Now they even bother me. I still think there should be room for smoking and non smoking business's with it being up to the owner. Oh Well

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:02 pm 
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I hate cigarette smoke, I don't mind cigar smoke, but if someone is courteous enough to ask if I mind if they smoke I always say I don't mind, because I believe in encouraging gentlemanly behavior. I could always move to another seat or another bar. This will soon be a moot point, but there is no reason to be an assh*le about it either way.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:29 pm 
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The Poas is now non-smoking, but be mindful of the smokers blocking the doorway.

The police stationed in the Parque de la Cultura are ordering smokers to leave the vicinity of the McDonalds restaurant and telling them they can not smoke near the door of a public business.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:34 pm 
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I'm waiting to see how the chicas wil handle the ban. 90% of them smoke like chimneys.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:21 pm 
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Law No. 9028 CONTROL LAW OS SNUFF EXECUTIVE DECREES. I wanted to post on fact versus speculation as it pertains to my cigar shop. Of course in CR their is always realities of enforcement, length of time, etc. which I won't comment on.

ARTICLE 4. Definitions k) Snuff products b]: includes products entirely or partly used as raw leaves and snuff intended to be smoked, sucked, chewde or used as snuff.

o) Snuff:plant Nicotina tababacum species that can cause addiction if its leaves are consumed in its natural form or are modified industrially.

CHAPTER II ARTICLE 5. Sites prohibited to smoke
n) areas or establishments where prepared, processed, taste it or sell foods, such as restaurants, bars and cafes.

The Havana Humidor Room is not a prohibited area or business.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:55 pm 
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CHAPTER II ARTICLE 5. Sites prohibited to smoke
n) areas or establishments where prepared, processed, taste it or sell foods, such as restaurants, bars and cafes.

The Havana Humidor Room is not a prohibited area or business.


I certainly hope you are correct in your interpretation of the law. Clearly anyone who enters a cigar room is aware that one of the purposes of a cigar room is the smoking of cigars and therefore smoke will be present so they would seem to have voluntarily given up their right to complain.

That being said, there is an article in today’s Inside Costa Rica that indicates there is a possibility that the law may be interpreted so broadly as to outlaw smoking in parking lots of restaurants and bars.
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Costa Rican Authorities To Get Tough On Smokers Starting This Week

Although the regulations and enforcements, nor where to pay the fines, is in place the Ministerio de Salud says it will start this week visiting bars and restaurants around the country to ensure compliance to the Ley de Antitabaco.

"From next week we will visit these places, the Minister also informed by the regional establishments must remove any sign that indicates smoking area" said Roberto Castro, Director of Surveillance of the Ministry of Health, to the press last week.

With the move the the smoking ban comes into its full rigor this week, and that all establishments are aware, if not met will take the necessary measures.

The sanctions against bars and restuarants, for example, can be a fine and include the suspension of the operating permit.

If a bar or restaurant loses their "permiso sanitario" it will then have to then initiate the complicated of getting it back.

Reports sent in to Inside Costa Rica indicate that the local municipal police in San José last week visited a number of bars and restaurants and issued warnings.

In many places smokers are being asked to go outside to feed their habit, some having to take to the sidewalks of the public streets as the debate centres on whether a parking lot is deemed part of the bar or restaurant.

In malls, like Multiplaza in Escazú, an ICR reader informs that he was asked by a security guard to snuff out while sitting his his vehicle, parked in the malls parking lot, while smoking. "Where am I to go, to the pista?", was the rhetorical question.

One of the requirements under the law is that establishments post anti-smoking signs.


Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:16 am 
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I tried to visit every bar is San Jose yesterday, and boy do I have a hang over this morning.

I can confirm there are just three bars in San Jose that have failed to comply with the law that prohibits smoking. All three happen to American-owned.

There is just one casino in the entire city where you can smoke, and that place is the Hotel Del Rey. Every other casino in town is totally smoke free.

These businesses had better do something right away, because the fact they are openly breaking the law must be painfully obvious to just about everyone.

I expect that if the situation continues they are going to see their bars featured in the newspaper or on television.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:31 pm 
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What about the KL? Are they complying?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:06 pm 
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This is going to be really interesting. Certainly one of the most controversial things that has happened in SJ/ CR for decades. It certainly changes the living habits not only a number of the locals but x-pats as well. A country that is partially dependent on the tourist business with an international draw is taking a chance by not allowing some casinos or bars to have designated smoking areas. It would not be terribly difficult to enclose a certain area for smokers with separate ventilation. Whether you smoke or not, many of you will witness the changes in monger and travel expectations.

My guess is that CR was not ready for this. Yeah...a lot of us hate cig smoke even if you smoke but we as mongers will always gather at bars and parlors. Somehow this smoking ban gets in the way. Mongers seem to not worry as much about STD's and all the other vile things associated with whore sex. Lord help some one smoking at the bar now.

It is really kind of strange about our priorities.

As I said before....watch your visitor freedoms in third world countries erode slowly. You may be back to chasing those deplorable gringas. OUCH.

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Long after mongers leave CR, for whatever reasons, there will still be chicas. :D


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